tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post1955203856124415185..comments2023-05-05T06:18:25.839-04:00Comments on KILL IT WITH FIRE!: The Meadow Scene - Part OneUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-67826607979106747802013-08-30T03:47:03.047-04:002013-08-30T03:47:03.047-04:00@TheUnbeholden
/ I wouldn't call it "Edwa...@TheUnbeholden<br />/ I wouldn't call it "Edward being an asshole", I would call it "Edward being human" by giving in to emotion. /<br />The entire Twilight series is based on the fact that he ISN'T human. He's a vampire. The fact that he was once human is overshadowed by the fact that he is no longer human. His human life is over. He has no right--no excuse--to behave like a human. He's a (poor rendition of a) vampire. You're making excuses for his behaviour because you believe his 'human-ness' excuses it, but at his core he is not human. He's a vampire, and should behave as such. According to New Moon, vampires have laws and rules that govern how they should act and Edward seems to be breaking nearly every one of them by just being with Bella. That's selfish. You know why? Because if Meyer-land followed its own rules and he were caught, his family would be punished right alongside him. His selfish acts puts in danger the (undead) lives of his (adopted) family. Unfortunately, Meyer-land loves Mary and Gary Stu so Edward is not punished. And everyone gets what they want without trying and they all live happily ever after. Yadda yadda yadda. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690243060980345991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-34685067814643037142011-02-25T13:06:17.206-05:002011-02-25T13:06:17.206-05:00@TheUnbeholden
/But I have got more out of the bo...@TheUnbeholden<br /><br />/But I have got more out of the book then you have. But as you said, I have made guesses to because Meyer simply has written very little content but I'm trying my best to get something out it. /<br /><br />Exactly. This is where you can tell Meyer is a shitty writer. If she were half as good as she claimed she was (she compares herself to Shakespeare, Austen, the Bronte sisters, and others call her the "American JK Rowling?" WTF??), you wouldn't need to guess, and you wouldn't have to try to get something out of it, that would just happen naturally.<br /><br />It seems the main point of contention you seem to have isn't whether Meyer should be banned from writing for life (if there was a God, this would have happened already), but more over how harmful the Twilight series can be to 12, 13-year-old girls who are just starting to enter into romantic relationships. Would that be more fair to say?Kyuubi Kitsunehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00523969422505925615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-5146764686296672712011-01-14T03:27:52.885-05:002011-01-14T03:27:52.885-05:00Fission Mailed, Meyer. People are having huge comm...Fission Mailed, Meyer. People are having huge comment-debates over your STUPID BOOK. <br />haha but I'm glad you two worked it out :)<br /><br />Personally I enjoyed the Mortal Instruments series by Cassandra Claire. I don't know what the twilghtsnarker would say about it, but I just enjoy a good story...one that of which Twilight was not, since nothing happened.RachAELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01452434560646729460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-23722365314502884872010-08-31T21:20:59.896-04:002010-08-31T21:20:59.896-04:00"Mental" masturbation? Haha. Twilight is..."Mental" masturbation? Haha. Twilight is just plain out-and-out masturbation.Jenchillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01577011562416399200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-10374399680107399262010-07-17T02:12:04.879-04:002010-07-17T02:12:04.879-04:00Where did I get Reed from? Weird. Guess it was a b...Where did I get Reed from? Weird. Guess it was a brain fart. Charlaine Harris is the author of the Sookie Stackhouse series, on which True Blood is based.<br /><br />One bit of trivia for you. The plots, at least between the first few books, are so similar between Sookie Stackhouse and Twilight that Harris has been accused of ripping off Meyer. Turns out, though, that the first Sookie Stackhouse novel was published a few years BEFORE Twilight. If anything, it's the other way around.<br /><br />I would definitely recommend the series to a Twilight fan. I habitually describe it as "Twilight done better."The Twilight Snarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734486267221062894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-1553240335679639122010-07-16T15:11:10.325-04:002010-07-16T15:11:10.325-04:00Oh its Richelle Mead... not reed.
Vampire Academy ...Oh its Richelle Mead... not reed.<br />Vampire Academy novels.<br /><br />So Charlaine Harris is the author of True Blood, thanks for that.TheUnbeholdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08682717979160234451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-59655062948289886042010-07-13T09:33:44.020-04:002010-07-13T09:33:44.020-04:00[quote=Twilight Snarker]
"2 : to go through ...[quote=Twilight Snarker]<br /><br />"2 : to go through (an area) in search of prey or quarry<br /><br />3 : to pursue obsessively and to the point of harassment"<br /><br />Thats a definition referring to mortals. For a immortal the definition would be different.<br /><br />Social stalking for a vampire is different, Its observation stalking. I'm saying that its a natural transition for a vampire.<br /><br />4 : To learn about some, and study them without their knowledge of your presence.<br /><br />Vampires are observer stalkers, only until a vampire knows that person well enough will they make a move. If a vampire gets to know someone they can make a decision to use them as food, or a as a companion. If the person is evil then a vampire usually can't resist to use them as food.<br /><br />I wouldn't call it obsessive, but I would call it making dam sure that the person is close to their ideal, I made 2 examples of vampires from other book series, Lestat from Anne Rice, and Stephen Salvatore from Vampire Diaries. Your move. <br /><br />"In an earlier comment you said that different people have different personalities, and now you're saying that we'd all do the same thing?"<br /><br />Indeed we would all end up eventually doing to the same thing, giving in to our emotions. People do have different personalities have varying degrees of will power, a stronger will power would definitely be able to resist for alot longer, perhaps for ages, but I think we would all <br /><br />"Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that I would do the same thing. It would STILL be wrong. If I killed another person in the exact situation as Edward I would STILL be a criminal deserving of punishment. Why? Because it does not matter how I feel in that situation. It does not matter if I genuinely loved that person, the moment that person's life is taken I am officially the scum of the Earth."<br /><br />I wouldn't call it "Edward being an asshole", I would call it "Edward being human" by giving in to emotion. Its not his fault he is a blood thirsty hunter, he was made into a vampire and wasn't given a choice in the matter.<br /><br />"Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that I would do the same thing. It would STILL be wrong. If I killed another person in the exact situation as Edward I would STILL be a criminal deserving of punishment. Why? Because it does not matter how I feel in that situation. It does not matter if I genuinely loved that person, the moment that person's life is taken I am officially the scum of the Earth."<br /><br />Depends on whether you think its wrong. Morality is just a point of view. There are different degrees of it. Killing someone, and potentially killing someone are 2 different things. In Edwards view, the potential is minimized due to the fact that he gets gorged on animal blood before being around Bella. Therefore he believes its just in his scope of morality. But definitely questionable, as you have so proved.<br /><br />"Crimes of passion are often done by people who love each other, but you will not find a court that will dismiss such a case because "oh, we can't expect him to bottle up his feelings."<br /><br />Exactly, that proves my point. Thats why so many people are in jail, they couldn't resist against their emotions, they couldn't keep it bottle up inside forever. Its human nature that is flawed. That is a fact.<br /><br />"Secondly, that Edward is not the POV character does not excuse his lack of character development. That is bad writing on Meyer's part."<br /><br />Oh don't get me wrong, I agree.<br /><br />I expected a lot of depth, and got very little.<br /><br />But I have got more out of the book then you have. But as you said, I have made guesses to because Meyer simply has written very little content but I'm trying my best to get something out it. The key difference between you and me, is that your in pain reading it, and I'm not.<br /><br />"Richelle Reed, Charlaine Harris"<br /><br />I will check them out, still haven't finished Vampire Diaries or Anne Rices Vampire Chronicles yet.TheUnbeholdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08682717979160234451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-25823581150043608322010-07-07T20:37:36.930-04:002010-07-07T20:37:36.930-04:00@TheUnbeholden
"We don't know this. We d...@TheUnbeholden<br /><br />"We don't know this. We don't know what Edward is thinking, or the inner turmoil he goes through, or anything about his perspective of things. Not until Stephenie Meyer decides to finish and release Midnight Sun. Only then can we know about what he went through. You only took a guess at this from his one line."<br /><br />First off, it can be seen throughout my chapter summaries that I judge Edward based on his actions as well as his words. I did not suddenly go from zero to hate based on a single line of dialog.<br /><br />Secondly, that Edward is not the POV character does not excuse his lack of character development. That is bad writing on Meyer's part. It is the job of the author to develop her characters within the confines of the book. If we actually have to wait for a re-telling of the book written from his perspective to understand him as a person, that is a failure on Meyer's part. <br /><br />Lastly, as readers we observe characters and gain an understanding of them through a variety of factors such as their words, actions, body language, etc. That is how stories are able to have well-rounded and developed characters even if we never enter said character's perspective. Do not make excuses for Meyer's sloppiness and cite it as evidence in Edward's defense. If Edward truly is the kind, caring, soulful person you imagine him to be, it should be made apparent in the books through his words and deeds.<br /><br />If Edward says "I'm selfish" and I conclude that he's selfish that is not a guess. The man said so himself. Furthermore, his previous actions support this conclusion. It is an observation based on empirical evidence. I cite direct quotes from the book and explain my reasons based on what has been observed. That is far from a random guess.<br /><br />If you still think that I judge him selfish based solely on his words in this chapter, I would direct to my observations of Jessica and Lauren. In both cases I contradicted Meyer on the characters' personalities because how they were described differed so much from how they behaved in the actual story. This, also, further highlights Meyer's overall sloppiness as a writer.<br /><br />I have even stated in this very post that I don't think Edward is a bad character conceptually. I even said that he could be a really good character. It is Meyer's poor handling of the story that makes him so unlikable in my eyes. If Meyer cut out 80% of the descriptions of Edward's physical appearance and instead used that paper to actually develop her characters and introduce a decent plot I would probably be right along with you loving this book. As it stands, this book comes off as mental masturbation.<br /><br />Personally I think you can do better than Meyer. Anne Rice, Richelle Reed, Charlaine Harris: these are authors worthy of your devotion (alright, maybe not Anne Rice after her little breakdown). Heck, Twilight is basically a knock-off of the Sookie Stackhouse series. All I'm saying is that there are more talented writers who have written better stories than Meyer who could use fans like you.The Twilight Snarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734486267221062894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-39809417194909323182010-07-07T20:33:47.536-04:002010-07-07T20:33:47.536-04:00@TheUnbeholden
"Perhaps from his perspective...@TheUnbeholden<br /><br />"Perhaps from his perspective he believes good will come out of it (which is what end up happening, she ends up trusting him because of the ride and not that moment in the parking lot)."<br /><br />We must not be reading the same book. Bella merely forgot the slight once she realized that they both *gasp* listen to the same kind of music! It was a cheap cop-out due to sloppy writing.<br /><br />"I'm just saying you should put yourself into his shoes. If we where in his position we would probably end up doing the same thing eventually."<br /><br />In an earlier comment you said that different people have different personalities, and now you're saying that we'd all do the same thing? There are people who would get involved with a girl if it meant they'd kill them. In our society we call those people sociopaths and we lock them in prison.<br /><br />"We can't keep our emotions bottled up inside of us forever, we have to do everything we possibly can in order to get what we want while at the same time minimizing the chance of the possible bad things that may result from it."<br /><br />I do not believe that people are powerless over themselves, nor do I think that just because they feel a certain way automatically gives them the right to act on those feelings. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that I would do the same thing. It would STILL be wrong. If I killed another person in the exact situation as Edward I would STILL be a criminal deserving of punishment. Why? Because it does not matter how I feel in that situation. It does not matter if I genuinely loved that person, the moment that person's life is taken I am officially the scum of the Earth. <br /><br />Crimes of passion are often done by people who love each other, but you will not find a court that will dismiss such a case because "oh, we can't expect him to bottle up his feelings."<br /><br />Saying that Edward shouldn't bottle up his feelings is just an excuse, a claim that he should not be held accountable for his own actions. Nothing could be further from the truth. Knowingly endangering the life of another person for his own gain makes him an asshole, and a sob story doesn't negate the severity of his actions.<br /><br />"I think what you said describes it best "If someone has already made up his/her mind it will be very difficult (depending on the person, even impossible) to sway that person."<br /><br />Correct, but that is not to be used as an excuse to slam the door on rational discourse. Even if we never agree on the subject, discussing it may increase our mutual understanding of the other person's view.<br /><br />"Basically what I'm saying is Hunting stalking can easily turn into social stalking, its a natural transition."<br /><br />I'm sorry, but they do not. Stalking, as defined in Webster's dictionary:<br /><br />2 : to go through (an area) in search of prey or quarry <br /><br />3 : to pursue obsessively and to the point of harassment<br /><br />You are essentially saying that definition 2 is the same as definition 3. They are not the same thing by a long shot, nor do they translate into each other.<br /><br />Sending your ex-girlfriend repeated e-mails and voice mail messages and following her wherever she goes is social stalking. That doesn't mean that the person from this example would be able to hunt deer in the woods.The Twilight Snarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734486267221062894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-2611056340782923352010-07-04T09:21:51.840-04:002010-07-04T09:21:51.840-04:00@ The Unbeholden:
For all we know Edward could be ...@ The Unbeholden:<br /><b>For all we know Edward could be suffering from unbearable loneliness, a century without a companion. Who knows, we await midnight sun.</b><br />...so? If he really loved her, he'd stay away from Bella. Also, why would he be lonely? He has his family, with whom he seems to get along fine.Ceca Mirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08292353590373512425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-29016075297626455332010-07-02T12:46:18.906-04:002010-07-02T12:46:18.906-04:00@Angel Mathew Leamsy
[quote]Vampires didn't ...@Angel Mathew Leamsy <br /><br />[quote]Vampires didn't wear body glitter and whine about how horrible they are when they have the perfect effin life. Specially not when the claim to me 107 years old. And Edward does have a perfect life. I could make an essay about how many things are adjusted just so he can stop crying in the corner. [/Quote]<br /><br />It does seem like he has the perfect life, but then again alot of people say that Famous actors have the perfect life, but the truth is far from it. Just because someone 'seems' to have a perfect life, doesn't mean they do. <br />The Truth could be far from it. <br />Famous actors can suffer from severe axiety, depression, overworked and lots of failed relationships due to much traveling and not much time for anything else.<br />For all we know Edward could be suffering from unbearable loneliness, a century without a companion. Who knows, we await midnight sun.TheUnbeholdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08682717979160234451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-50408544576913030752010-07-02T12:29:25.409-04:002010-07-02T12:29:25.409-04:00[QUOTE]Other vampires go through character growth,...[QUOTE]Other vampires go through character growth, struggle with the moral ramifications of what their romance would involve, perhaps even suffer a crisis of conscience as a result of their soul-searching. We see them grow as people and change to the point where they're finally ready to take on the responsibility that comes with loving a human.<br /><br />Granted such stories do not ALWAYS work this way, but at least the issue is addressed in some shape or form and we get a better excuse than Edward's "I'm just selfish."<br /><br />Edward just sticks with Bella because he feels like it. He does not question his actions, nor does he even stop to think. He does the opposite of questioning his actions; he just blames Bella. He's the one doing the stalking, but it's Bella's fault for not heeding his "warnings." Bella had actually done a good job of avoiding Edward until HE pushed himself on her, as I covered in chapter five.[/QUOTE]<br /><br />We don't know this. We don't know what Edward is thinking, or the inner turmoil he goes through, or anything about his perspective of things. Not until Stephenie Meyer decides to finish and release Midnight Sun. Only then can we know about what he went through. You only took a guess at this from his one line. (and that would be a pretty interesting read because a book about a vampire would have to be a pretty dam good piece of writing, alot of people doubt whether or not Stephenie Meyer has that in her, well she has recently released the vampire novel entitled 'The Short Life of Bree Tanner: An Eclipse Novella', but she is a newly formed vampire so that doesn't count.)TheUnbeholdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08682717979160234451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-40676013027424634722010-07-02T12:28:17.400-04:002010-07-02T12:28:17.400-04:00Thank you for responding, I figured you rarely rea...Thank you for responding, I figured you rarely read the comments, probably cause there are so few, everyone goes to the twilightsucks.com forums.<br /><br />[quote]He has threatened her in the past. In the Parking Lot incident, for example, Bella even describes Edward's behavior as a threat, using the actual word "threat" in the text of the book. That is merely one example.[/quote]<br /><br />Oh yes I forgot about that. He does seem to be very dominating and oppressive in this part of the book. Perhaps from his perspective he believes good will come out of it (which is what end up happening, she ends up trusting him because of the ride and not that moment in the parking lot). Either way I do believe he was being to dominant. Does that mean he was being selfish? Yes, he was making the decision for her in this instance. So its a valid point. But... <br /><br /><br />[quote]And that would justify murder? I'm sure that line you wrote sounds romantic in your head, but remember what you are referring to. That he sticks with Bella out of desperation makes him more selfish, not less, as it is saying that his needs are the ones that take priority; whether Bella lives or dies does not.[/quote]<br /><br /><br />I'm not justifying murder, I'm just saying you should put yourself into his shoes. If we where in his position we would probably end up doing the same thing eventually. We can't keep our emotions bottled up inside of us forever, we have to do everything we possibly can in order to get what we want while at the same time minimizing the chance of the possible bad things that may result from it. Edward says that he specially goes out every morning to gorge himself on animal blood so that he quenches his thirst before being around Bella. Slowly he believes that he will grow accustomed to her while being in this state. Perhaps gain some measure of self control. This is not selfish, quite the opposite (but then again you would probably say that he doesn't want to kill her for selfish reasons because he wants her company). I think what you said describes it best "If someone has already made up his/her mind it will be very difficult (depending on the person, even impossible) to sway that person."<br /><br /><br />[quote]You refer to a different kind of stalking. There is the kind of stalking used in hunting, to catch an animal unawares so you can kill it and put food on your table to feed your family, and then there is breaking into people's houses without their consent or knowledge to watch them sleep.<br /><br />Vampires are natural stalkers, but of the hunting variety. That does not translate into social stalking, which is what he's doing in this book.[/quote]<br /><br /><br />Hunting stalking can easily translate into social stalking. In Vampire Diaries, by L.G.Smith, Stephen Salvatore is a vampire that stalks Elena and finds out everything about her. Only till later does he end up enlisting into the highschool she goes to and hes even in one of her classes, finally speaks to when bumping into her at school. They end up becoming lovers, and good couple. In Anne Rices novel, Memnoch the Devil, Lestat is a extravagant vampire that social stalks Dora, a young women televangelist, who sings and dances on TV to praise the lord and spread his teachings. Lestat said quite specifically, he would never harm her. another quote it that he finds human beings curious, like a human being would find ants curious. He studies them, and finds the objects decorated in their homes, the idiosyncratic qualities fascinating. Basically what I'm saying is Hunting stalking can easily turn into social stalking, its a natural transition.TheUnbeholdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08682717979160234451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-33777753043549508762010-07-01T09:15:58.082-04:002010-07-01T09:15:58.082-04:00Oh, wow. This is brilliant! Can't wait for the...Oh, wow. This is brilliant! Can't wait for the next posts.Miss Lilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03411161601971828024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-69951082648850208212010-06-30T10:22:32.971-04:002010-06-30T10:22:32.971-04:00This is the best blog I've ever seen. Can'...This is the best blog I've ever seen. Can't wait for the next installment!Big Bad Blog Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02182814127349677417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-6604753891910782832010-06-29T04:29:33.615-04:002010-06-29T04:29:33.615-04:00Wow, I'm actually not a year late on this one ...Wow, I'm actually not a year late on this one XD<br />Can't wait for your update!Ceca Mirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08292353590373512425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-66473351459381290542010-06-22T22:02:44.980-04:002010-06-22T22:02:44.980-04:00I absolutely love your commentary on Twilight. Mey...I absolutely love your commentary on Twilight. Meyer should really consider reading Flying Fingers by Adora Svitak. A book written by a seven year old on 'how to write'. <br /><br />SEVEN YEARS OLD! <br /><br />That just proves that even children can write better than her.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890888742616716985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-25469192114192152602010-06-22T00:43:31.218-04:002010-06-22T00:43:31.218-04:00@TheUnbeholden
To address your last point, Edward...@TheUnbeholden<br /><br />To address your last point, Edward is an even bigger asshole than other vamps in similar situations, and I will tell you why. <br /><br />Other vampires go through character growth, struggle with the moral ramifications of what their romance would involve, perhaps even suffer a crisis of conscience as a result of their soul-searching. We see them grow as people and change to the point where they're finally ready to take on the responsibility that comes with loving a human.<br /><br />Granted such stories do not ALWAYS work this way, but at least the issue is addressed in some shape or form and we get a better excuse than Edward's "I'm just selfish."<br /><br />Edward just sticks with Bella because he feels like it. He does not question his actions, nor does he even stop to think. He does the opposite of questioning his actions; he just blames Bella. He's the one doing the stalking, but it's Bella's fault for not heeding his "warnings." Bella had actually done a good job of avoiding Edward until HE pushed himself on her, as I covered in chapter five.<br /><br />His "I'm selfish" comments makes him an even bigger asshole because he KNOWS he could end up murdering Bella. He acknowledges and accepts this, while at the same time making no effort to address this issue. To quote Edward exactly (from Chapter 5), "Yes--giving up trying to be good. I'm just going to do what I want now, and let the chips fall where they may." <br /><br />He just "gave up" on "trying to be good." He KNOWS he's doing wrong, but he does it anyway out of selfishness. He's going to "let the chips fall where they may," and considering that the chips that would fall would be comprised of Bella's body parts, that is hardly an endearing attitude. THAT is the crucial difference. Other vampires grow and develop over the course of the story; Edward does neither. He just "gives up." That is not noble, that is lazy. He literally endangers Bella's life because he's lazy. That makes him an asshole no matter how often Meyer lovingly describes his topaz eyes.The Twilight Snarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734486267221062894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-331655866112513692010-06-22T00:27:52.640-04:002010-06-22T00:27:52.640-04:00@TheUnbeholden
To begin I would like to apologize...@TheUnbeholden<br /><br />To begin I would like to apologize for not responding to your posts before now. I also wish to thank you for reading my blog and considering it worth the effort of a response. Even if you disagree, I hope you found at least some parts entertaining. :)<br /><br />Now for the reply:<br /><br />"Scintillating (definition snipped)"<br /><br />When looking up words I cross-reference with 3 different dictionaries. Unfortunately, thefreedictionary is not one of them. Thank you for the correction.<br /><br />"I don't think he ever threatened her, but warned her. Probably cause he knows she doesn't know who he really is."<br /><br />He has threatened her in the past. In the Parking Lot incident, for example, Bella even describes Edward's behavior as a threat, using the actual word "threat" in the text of the book. That is merely one example.<br /><br />"I don't think you seem to understand that every vampire in the history of fictional literature is selfish. To take human life to further your own is pure selfishness."<br /><br />As another commenter pointed out, that is survival and not selfishness, in the same way that taking the lives of plants and animals is an act of survival by us humans.<br /><br />"And Edward is no exception, sure he drinks from animals but regardless, a century on his own can make someone so desperate that they would go to the lengths of the earth to find someone compatible with them, a soul mate even, so they can have companion."<br /><br />What you seem to be missing here is the fact that selfishness is subject to gradation.<br /><br />For example: I ate the last yogurt in the fridge this morning, knowing someone else wanted it. That was a little selfish. Contracting HIV and insisting on having unprotected sex with someone because I "love" that person would be decidedly more selfish than eating the last yogurt.<br /><br />In Edward's case, you are equating KILLING SOMEONE with eating the last yogurt, two very different grades of selfishness. Last yogurt eating is relatable; we've all been there. Murder ... not so much.<br /><br />"... a century on his own can make someone so desperate that they would go to the lengths of the earth to find someone compatible with them, a soul mate even, so they can have companion."<br /><br />And that would justify murder? I'm sure that line you wrote sounds romantic in your head, but remember what you are referring to. That he sticks with Bella out of desperation makes him more selfish, not less, as it is saying that his needs are the ones that take priority; whether Bella lives or dies does not.<br /><br />"Vampires are naturally stalkers, so he could be in love. I mean are you really going to question whether or not Edwards in love? eventhough hes a 100+ year old vampire?"<br /><br />You refer to a different kind of stalking. There is the kind of stalking used in hunting, to catch an animal unawares so you can kill it and put food on your table to feed your family, and then there is breaking into people's houses without their consent or knowledge to watch them sleep.<br /><br />Vampires are natural stalkers, but of the hunting variety. That does not translate into social stalking, which is what he's doing in this book.<br /><br />Edward was human before he was vampire, and he's lived in human society, much of that time spent in the social arena of high school, for the past century. He has no excuse not to know that what he is doing is wrong, so the "but he's a vampire" angle doesn't fly here. So yes, I do question if Edward is really in love, because he sure doesn't act like it.The Twilight Snarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734486267221062894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-60775418608493570772010-06-21T23:18:29.783-04:002010-06-21T23:18:29.783-04:00Part 2 is currently being edited and will be avail...Part 2 is currently being edited and will be available soon.The Twilight Snarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734486267221062894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-69355088164824022152010-06-20T18:19:42.341-04:002010-06-20T18:19:42.341-04:00Can't wait for you to update again!!!Can't wait for you to update again!!!Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00266554672277939559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-22047958849801149962010-06-19T12:22:44.769-04:002010-06-19T12:22:44.769-04:00I FUCKING love this blog. It's so good to know...I FUCKING love this blog. It's so good to know that there is someone else out there who loathes this piece of shit book as much as I do. It sickens me that such a disgrace to the art of writing was published at all, let alone adored by so many people.Aliciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04092575174908898045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-70750684822556740192010-06-18T11:23:24.246-04:002010-06-18T11:23:24.246-04:00Just wanted to say, that i'm a big fan of your...Just wanted to say, that i'm a big fan of yours. <br />Please, keep writing, can't wait for the next part.!<br />This review is BRILLIANT.<br />!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800291121512965970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-14340442222075247252010-06-14T14:22:50.249-04:002010-06-14T14:22:50.249-04:00"I don't think you seem to understand tha..."I don't think you seem to understand that every vampire in the history of fictional literature is selfish. To take human life to further your own is pure selfishness"<br /><br />I don't think you seem to understand the law of food chain. If vampires were an actual breed they wouldn't be taking the blood out of other living creatures because "ooh, they seem tasty", but rather because they have to feed. And if you're going to talk about fictional vampires, before this so called bestseller, vampires didn't wear body glitter and whine about how horrible they are when they have the perfect effin life. Specially not when the claim to me 107 years old. And Edward does have a perfect life. I could make an essay about how many things are adjusted just so he can stop crying in the corner.Angel Mathew Leamsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17753097995297982406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2290232855972075144.post-49487510543687763702010-05-05T19:38:47.092-04:002010-05-05T19:38:47.092-04:00nice! probably will be better once they leave the ...nice! probably will be better once they leave the ridiculous meadow... can't wait!!<br />looking forward to part 2, I love to laughavidtexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11224331719205345333noreply@blogger.com